R: I would like to ask you to clarify the concepts of salvation and enlightenment.

G: There are three main realizations of God's faces, and there are many levels and forms of these. The Jewish mystics distinguished 22 gate-opening demigods, and these were, indeed, principles. If one has fully implemented a principle, that gate opens for him. In Hinduism, there are several gate-opening demigods, and they are constantly multiplying, but all of them are traced back to the same 22 principles. The reason is because Hindus think in entities, not in principles. Once one has attained an accomplishment and has entered the demigod plane, the gate opener entity exists as a demigod for others, and one can cross the gate through him. Among these principles there are three exceptional: absolute love, devotional service, and perfection. These three together are the Christ Consciousness. Thereafter, under salvation (or liberation; moksha) we mean that at least one of the gates was opened, and the concept of enlightenment is maintained for perfection. The kundalini is necessary only for the attainment of perfection, because the disciple is confronted with the gap in this way only. On this he must pass through by his own force while there are no helping light-entities at this point. Neither salvation nor enlightenment means automatically somebody’s entering into the transcendental world, but only into a transition realm. From this he doesn’t have to descend anymore into the harsh material world. 

R: By level of implementation, do we mean the world into which one has entered?

G: When a gate is opened, one automatically enters to a subtle material world. Here his position depends on what kind of additional service he is willing to do for his development. Someone who has achieved an implementation level tends to ignore the others and from this originates his feeling that he is accomplished. In this case, he waits at the level reached. For me, several gates were already open in my material existence, but the realization of Christ Consciousness some were missing, which came afterwards. You experienced yourself when you sought for supporters for the UCCM Spiritual Realm that the liberated and enlightened entities were not helpful because they did not recognize that they should serve further for realization of Christ.

R: People in the material world think that a liberated or enlightened soul knows and understands everything. It was a surprise to me that this was not the case.

G: Neither liberated nor enlightened souls know everything. They entered to a world through a narrow gate and were immersed in the realization they had achieved. Until something happens, they stay in that state. This something can be an interaction with another entity who is calling them for a task. If there is no response, this indicates that they have no duty with you. Each era has its own set of principles that can be realized. When you recognized this, you immediately started looking for partners. It is not surprising that you have hardly found any, because the concept of Christ Consciousness is not clear for human beings.

R: I think this may be due to the fact that the realization of Jesus way is not understood or misinterpreted.

G: Exactly. From the essence of Jesus’ principle has not been successfully integrated everything into people's minds during the past 2000 years, so therefore this second step is necessary

R: When I began to deal with the organization of the Realm, I also had to face that the liberated or enlightened souls, though might be willing to undertake an additional service, they cannot because they know nothing (have no competence).

G: I at least know you ─ (laughing). Most liberated soul have ascended the subtle plane through the realization of the Primordial Unity principle, and this is the only one at that is really necessary to understand nothing. This is the child's realization or otherwise total surrender. Children are placed in a state of grace; they are protected by God from the further hardship, and, if they do not strive for themselves, will remain in childhood until the end of time. They do not need to develop abilities; God gives them all what they need.

R: A question arises whether isn’t this the right ending, and maybe I'm the one who is adventuring on the false paths?

G: You have the Primordial Unity principle for a long time, therefore you got it again from Krishna for the first word, you did not have to make any effort in this life, you just had to apply for it again. Some having the Primordial Unity principle does not remain in the subtle world but serve on the coarse material plane and on the basis of their further experience they recognize that other realizations exist. While dealing with this, they traverse the three created worlds and even descend into the lower worlds. Your experiences so far make you capable for what you have just started, but this does not mean that everyone who is in a higher dimension is automatically suitable for it. Suitability means the development of certain abilities (siddhis), and you have some.

R: Wow! Good to hear! I didn't know that I had siddhis. I can't levitate, materialize, walk on the water, or do space jump ... ─ (laughing)

G: These abilities are already in your possession in the fine material world and are unnecessary elsewhere. However, they are spectacular on the rough material plane, they have a little use and would not increase people's faith. Your most important ability includes your relationships, that is, you have access into the three upper and three lower worlds. Have you found a closed gate?

R: Buddha did not open the gate. You went in and left me outside.

G: That's not what happened. The gate was open and you remained outside. Why did not you come?

R: Working with you it's not always easy to find out what the task is...

G: You don't have to find it out, but do what you feel.

R: I couldn't go in. Actually, I was afraid I could not come out!

G: When I went in, I was leading you to Buddha's female aspect. In Buddhism, the two principles are the most differentiated. In this way you are able to use the power of all mahavidya, that is, you have access. Your task is now to increase the amount of energy what is invoked and set in motion in time unit.

R: However, I cannot perform any miracle. If I really have certain abilities, shouldn't some of these be manifested in the rough material world as well?

G: How much time have you invested in this?

R: Almost nothing.

G: Are you going?

R: I didn't get such a task.

G: Patanjali clearly states that siddhis form a bonding force. The bonding force is created by the yogi's insistence of the manifestation of his own ability freely. This means that his ability is not subordinated to the divine intention and cosmic law. In this case, the manifestation of the ability is more important than serving. On the other hand, if service is more important than the manifestation of ability, then bonding is not created and the yogi becomes an instrument in the hand of God. He really cannot do any miracles because it is not him who makes the miracles, but through him God performs the miracles, if He will.

R: I understand, and accept completely.

G: I testify that you have demonstrated such a siddhi that even I said it was impossible when you brought your companion back from the impersonal Brahman realization.

R: I knew he didn't want this realization, he just missed the road. Why should he wait thousand years to correct it?

G: Others regard impersonal Brahman realization as the highest degree. And you take yourself and bring someone out of this. Who are you?

R: A tool, as you said. I felt myself responsible for him missing the path, and without you I could not have reinstate his information filed. This was a point of our collaboration that goes beyond the traditional guru-disciple relationship. No guru would have done it, because it is beyond the competence of the guru. 

G: Sometimes, we step beyond our competence…

R: That's what I've always been looking for, a brave, cool guru! What would I do with an enlightened soul who has realized a point-like god (atman) and he is afraid to expand in creation because two hen steps away he no longer knows what to do? ─ (laughing)

G: It is pleasure the existence with you. I've been meditating alone in boredom so far! ─ (laughing)

R: You mentioned the lower worlds. Are these the planes where the damned go? Does the condemnation exist and in what form?

G: That souls are placed into the lower worlds who have seriously sinned against the law of oneness. At the moment of death, the human being is always confronted with his/her actions. This can be so surprising and traumatic that the soul runs away from the confrontation. But doing so only exacerbate his situation by excluding himself from grace. In the lower worlds, entities are also layered according to the weight of their actions.

R: Is there a way back from there and how?

G: The events in the lower worlds are not created by God. These planes are the projections of the subconscious of humans, in this sense God is not competent to look into it. Under the law of free will, God and light beings (angels) cannot look into the subconscious spheres of human beings. If an elevated entity wants to assist in such a plane, it must take the form of a human. This was also done by Jesus, who went through the lower worlds after his post-crucifixion in condition of Mahasamadi and freed those who were willing to follow him. But this was just a one-time act, these planes are full. The gates of the lower worlds are opening up one after the other, and incarnation into the material body can also occur because human beings engage in uncontrolled reproduction and the increasing amount of rape also attracts the lower world beings. As a result, the energy quality of earthly humans is gradually deteriorating. God cannot make these gates closed forever, so there is no eternal damnation. These souls must also be given the opportunity of experience in material body. In the lower worlds there is suffering, but there is no death. Human beings staying here torture each other to death but they cannot die. If someone from this plane is born into a material body on Earth and tortures a fellow human being to death and then says he did not know that one could die then he may tell the truth. He faces the possibility of dying in torture here in the terrestrial dimension. Nevertheless, this does not console the person who died, and does not absolve the person who caused one’s death. For millennia, the problem is how to clean these planes. UCCM provides a long-term solution to this therefore we support it. You recognized well that for this cleaning, it is also necessary to win the support of Shiva while He rules over the demonic souls. What do your own experiences indicate about this situation?

R: At the first time, angels accompanied me to the gate, then they told it was not to allowed them to go further. I had to be successful there without help. It was a part of my training. In my later entries, when I had to go deeper, I was hold through an energy cord. Who descends from the UCCM Realm to lead those who beg for help and whose karma is over, the same happens. The connection with the Realm is the guarantee that the helper can return, whatever happens. Obviously, Jesus didn't need any cord, but we did. In spite of that many souls were initiated as a saint or enlightened, there are hardly any who can and are willing to perform such activities.

G: Only those who want to realize the Christ Consciousness will undertake such task. That soul who has no judgment in relation to those who are there, and who is in absolute love and devotional service is capable to do this. The absolute level of perfection is not a requirement; therefore, energy security is necessary, but if one has it, he (she) can descend from his (her) own strength as far as his (her) abilities allow.

R: Thank you for the today conversation!

Margaret Rhasoda-Varga
UCCM head-master
(Meeting of worlds, excerpt)